Horse Training Success

In my opinion, there is more to this horse, then mentioned. I'm a firm believer that almost any horse can become the perfect companion for someone, but in this case, it is going to take work.

I bought two of my 3 horses, sight unseen. My gelding has given me a lot of trouble and put me in dangerous positions, but we finally worked out most of our problems, which as it turned out, to be hot grains that I was feeding him. My filly, Frilly is a total darling.
I bought my Canadian mare the minute I saw her. After, I found out she had a terrible reputation of rearing and bucking under saddle, and an horrible attitude. I saw the attitude immediately, but I fell for her anyway and finally now, I know she loves me. I changed her name, to help bury the reputation and change people's attitude about her, when around her. We still have a difficult time, now and then, I expect that, but we're working on it. The bucking has stopped completely and the rearing is so minimal that most people don't even know it happened. The ear treatment has all most disappeared, lol.

Two weeks isn't a very long time. I would cut his grain to zero and let him run free within a herd, for a month or more, if possible. Then I would start from scratch with his training. If he is as good as his previous owner stated, then the training won't take long. But give him time to learn to love his new surroundings.

Ive been riding for 10 years and i love the sport.Im only 18 years old and still learning more a about these fasinating animals.Ive made mistakes in the past by bying a horse that looks good on a picture.I have now learned my lesson.This horse just needs time and alot of work.Everytime i want to go and buy a horse i will spend alot of time with the horse,take it on a outride or even just schooling before i make my decision try this it really works!GOOD LUCK with this horse but in my eyes a horse always turns out to be his best and horses tries hard to please their owners.

Take it from Mary Twelve Ponys "There are no problem horses, only problem riders"

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I would find out the reputation of the seller. Have they sold other problem horses or was this just a misguided desperation to get rid of this horse. You might want to talk to a lawyer, afterall, two people have been hurt by this horse, and he was obviously misrepresented. Is this person in a financial position to buy the horse back. Sometimes this works if they care about their reputation. If that doesn't work, how much time do you want to gamble on this horse. It will take allot of time. I would find somebody young that is willing to ride a rank horse and has allot of experience. This horse needs to be worked by someone that really knows horses and can find the right buttons. Personally, when I fnd someone that can stay with him,I would put a western saddle on him and ride him till it hurts. I mean this horse needs lots of "wet saddle blankets" to get his respect back. You might even find someone who can "lay" him down, cover him with a tarp and walk on him. This can go along way in getting to that respect point. Also, there are allot of long acting drugs this horse might have been given when he was videoed or when yu first picked him up. He might also be one of those horses that just needs to be ridden everyday and as someone said, take areal hard look at his diet. The other option is sell him, take your losses and move on.

Best of luck,

Richard

I firmly believe that any time you have even one horse, there is going to be alot of work involved. Too often I find alot of people have horses that they do nothing with for months then come out one day throw a saddle on it to go for a ride and can't understand why the horse acts up. Perhaps this gelding hasn't been worked in a while or acts up because evertime he gets caught, he is put to work. I have 3 horses.Hanna is 13 years old this year and both I and my daughter ride her. It is important to me that she behaves especially for my daughter. Working a horse does not mean lungeing it in mindless circles... everything you do with that horse, the horse is learning something.Time is one of the best thing you can give your horse. There is nothing more calming than to go out with your horse in the pasture and just be with them.Or putting the halter on them and going for a walk. I have often taken Hanna down through our small town and she loves it. I can call her in from the pasture and She will come. Her yearling baby, Kenny, does the same thing. His halter training went off with out a hitch because I took the time. I bought my 2 year old gelding when he was 2 months old and it was funny to know that the same place I bought him was the same place my mare orginally came from. It is really important to know what kind of place your horse came from.
I agree with Magdalen when she said to start from scratch. There is nothing wrong with starting over. It will help you horse learn a new way of looking at things.

That's what everyone told me since last summer when I started taking horseback riding lessons... I bought my horse from my riding instructor and her husband, and they urged me to ride him several times and told me everything they found out about him and had known before he was rescued.

It takes time, but I think that horse could be worked with. It would probably take a fair amount of time, but it's not impossible. I did offer to foster a little rescue horse before I saw her, and she's a 2-year-old sweetheart, lets me brush her and lead her and all ready lets me throw a saddle pad on her. It just takes time.

I bought a mare I saw advertised thru the Arabian Horse Association. Her Pedigree and Conformation were appropriate for my breeding program. Though I had not physically seen her (only photos), I purchased her anyway, after several discussions with the owner, and a complete pre-purchase exam. While the mare has some anxiety issues, she is a great brood mare who has produced a gorgeous type-y filly, and has another foal cooking. It helps to do your homework, and buy from a reputable source. I would do it again.

I know exactly what you are talking about i have been taken for too, here is what i did: I called the seller told them what was happening with the quarter horse and gave them an option of givin money back or i was sueing them for false advertisig and making unpromising promises! I got my money back within 2 days. I would sue them due to your injury they lied to you and that is not good horse business!!

Bottom line is the horse "knows when you KNOW horses and he knows when you only know the SOME or little" about the nature of the horse.

Take the time to learn about the nature of the horse and how they perceive things.

You may be a well meaning individual however if you lack communication skills (equus) then you will have problems.

Ray Hunt wrote a wonderful book to help you understand this concept better. It's called "Think Harmony with Horses"

It's up to the human to learn to help the horse adapt to the human world, in turn they will help us understand them.

Horse sounds unbroken or very green. Dressage horse snorting at boots?? If your sure he is broken get his teeth and back checked, if there is a problem with him your dentist or muscular therapist will find it and sort it!

Niamh

If you want to keep this horse you will have to start from square one. I would never put anyone on his back untill you get full respect on the ground. It is no joke and that horse will kill somebody. This horse is looking for a true leader.
He is completely disrespectfull.
Ground work is the key....Keep him out of your personal space, use a handy stick (stick with string) this acts as an extention of your your arm. a wak by you with this stick is no more than a kick or bite from another horse. (not to be used for beating) But as said by others it will take time, patience, and understanding, if you give him a chance his confinence will build and he will learn to respect you.On the other hand if he knows you are scared and feels at all like you are not a leader he will take over leadership. You can read alot about horsemanship training, watch RFD TV...Clinton Anderson is a good one for advise, Parelli, ect.
You can let him get used to his surroundings but you need to visit him every day, even if you just fallow him and walk him on a lead. He needs to get used to YOU more than anything as well as his surroundings. He needs to trust you or you will only be chasing him trying to get him everytime you want to get him, because he has grown more comfortable with the herd. I hope some of this helps you.

Another good book is "Chosen By A Horse", By Susan Richards.
Everyone at my stables has read it and loved it. Patients and trust, That is the key and Knowing how a horse learns and trusts. How do they act with eachother? It is very important to know.
I got my horse when he was 2yrs.old at a horse sale. Yes we had problems....But I went into it knowing my challenges, Knowing we were at square one. I took him on walks, I sat in the field for hours watching him, Every time ANYTHING spooked him we did not leave that object till he was confident it would not kill him. this is the best way I have found to have an everlasting bond with your horse. As another person posted thier are no bad horses just bad owners. Horses want to please you when they respect and trust you. Mine will do anything I ask of him. He is my best friend.
Yours can be that way to.

I didn't know people bought horses without seeing them. I felt stupid enough for buying my first horse without a NEW clean bill of health and my second without x-rays of his legs. I didn't encounter any more problems than could be expected, though. The next time i buy a horse, i will get x-rays of his legs, an expert opinion on his abilities and conformation plus get a vet to check him out, no matter if i see something documenting him having been checked out recently by a vet. Who knows what could have happened to that horse since last week, when that check-up was issued?

IMO, before buying a horse, you should know about any injuries the horse has had, if he has any sort of conformation issues which could lead to injuries in the future, if his legs, tendons, joints and so on are healthy, if he's been through any trauma in the past which can lead to problems and so on and so forth. You can't do all that over the phone. Plus, if you buy a horse over the phone, how are you gonna know that you like each other? You don't decide on your best friend without ever having spoken with her/him, right?

I know this situation all too well!! Above all, always remember safety comes first no matter what! My troublesome mare was great on the ground but unpredictable in the saddle. She went thru 3 different trainers and all three felt the same. She was unsafe to ride. After doing some research, I discovered she was never imprinted and left in the field for the first 6 yrs of her life. She is now a broodmare and still just as sweet on the ground. Your horse has some serious trust issues and only time and patience (not rough treatment as one has suggested) will start to close that gap between you. He may not become what you wanted in your original purchase but you could possibly end up with one of the best friends you will ever have!

Best of luck!

This person talks and sounds like he/she is horsey alright but they have done everything there is wrong to do wrong. I don't mean to be cruel but this is not the horses fault, he is reacting like his horse's brain tells him to react. There is no reason in the world that anyone needs to be run over in the round pen, after the horse hert her she allowed the horse to be handled by a committee that just made it worse.

Get this horse loose in a pen, get a lariat and drive him with the coils, every time he stops toss the hondo at him till he turns and faces you, then retreat. Get this horse's respect this way for a week before even thinking of throwing a leg over him.

Sorry you and others were injured by this horse. You do need to get in contact with that owner, I too bought a horse and she has a great video and its the same horse, I did go see her and rider her, but I am having problems, once of bolting, but my surroundings are not of a horsetraining facility but of pastures to ride on. She spooked.It is all new to her. I bought the wrong horse and shes only 2 and a half, something I didn't want, I wanted a older mature horse, and got taken by the video and her beauty. Thinking,,, look at the start this young horse has had........plus it doesn't help I was in a wheelchair last year from another injury, and don't have my confidence back to push her harder. So I am taking it slow, teaching her all over again. Leaving every day on a positive note.

If I can't get the confidence with her sadly I may have to sell.

Sue

Just to set things straight....I am not telling you to be rough with your horse, my two year old came at me in the round pin with two back hooves, I took my handy stick and wacked him on the rump. After he realized I was alpha and slowed down I rubbed his rump and took all pressure away. We at that point had an understanding. He has never done it again. I am not a mussel bound woman and my whack startled him more than anything, Being rough with your horse is not the right way to get respect, but being firm is. I believe I stated it is not to be used for beating and one whack when he came at you to run you down would have had him secaond guessing it the next time. Just remember to take the pressure off and rub it away.

I recently had a horse like this too, his name was buddy. A standardbred and an ex-trotter.


Buddy was advertised as a perfectly calm beautifully natured horse, with plently of potential. As i went to see this horse for the first time i noticed he was quite clam and doopey looking, althought i didnt have any tack with me when i saw him, i did proceed to lunge him. He worked fine had a beautiful trot.

Things were fine an i decided to buy him, on the first day after buying him i moved him only down the road to a friends place with other horses but a yard of his own. He was quite excited as i expected but otherwise ok, until i brought in the feed..

this horse changed dramatically! he began by just running around, then bucking and rearing up making a rather big comotion.. then suddenly he turned on me, this once very sweet 17hh horse charged me. When i realised he meant business i moved slightly out of his way but as he came closer buddy swang his head to hit me, throwing me into a pole and knocking me out! i out for a couple hours and awoke in hospital..


the next day i took the time to catch him and look at him carefully, the i realise my horse had been drugged.. my vet was called the previous owners had drugged him. When his results came back the vet also told me the he was quite malnurished as i could already see, but he had also been abused.

To win this horses trust took a lot of hard work, i began by setting a routine, feeding on time every day, rugging him before hand and teaching him groung manners, also just by being with him helped him to relax, i also brushed him everyday, and played with his hoves as much as he would let me. I then tryed Montey Roberts method of 'Join Up' which was the only thing that worked on this horse he changed almost straight away! within 2 months of ground work and feeding up this horse i had his complete trust an was able to ride and work him, i can now do anything on him and take this horse with me anywhere! he has become a very loving very pleasing horse, thru a very simple exercise.


if you wish to know how to do Monety Roberts method of 'Join Up' you can reach me by email, sexc_bum_nic16@hotmail.com
it really does work, and is rewarding.

I had a 8 yr. old mare who was the same way....I sent her to three special trainers who broke her of a lot of her problems and she was so well trained that you could sit and give her commands and she would obey. I was working her one day and she gave me an EVIL eye and rammed me into the panel of the round pen. I realized then that she really could hurt me if I had her on the trail and she decided to dump me down a ditch. I SOLD HER letting them know she had tantrums before she really hurt me. The training didn't help.
JJ